Craps Make Em All
Thread Rating:
“All Tall”, “All Small”, or “Make’Em All” bets must be made BEFORE any numbers have begun being marked up in the Bonus Bet box. Anytime a “7” rolls, a new game begins. ODDS PLACE BETS Once a shooter makes a point, you can make an additional bet by taking the odds on the point. You win if the point is made before a 7. Some Craps players refer to don’t passline bets as “betting wrong,” and consequently, a passline bet is called “betting right.” When you make a passline bet, you are betting to roll a 7 or 11 on the first roll, which would result in a win on that bet. But when you make a don’t passline bet, you are betting to roll a 2, 3, or 12. A game of chance! Make ’Em All Make your bet after a 7 is rolled. All the numbers BUT 7, will be rolled before a 7. (Pays 175-to-1) VEGAS STYLE ROULETTE. The All bet (actually written on the felt as ‘Make ’em All’) wins if the player rolls a 2,3,4,5,6,8,9,10,11, and 12 before the shooter rolls a 7. If that list is too long for you to memorize, then have no fear. Just know that it is every number EXCEPT THE 7 (because the 7 always causes you to lose). THE PAY OFF FOR WINS AND THE HOUSE EDGE.
Here to ask advice about the maths behind the make 'em all craps side bet.
For those who don't know, the bet is a wager that a shooter will roll every number 2-6 and 8-12 before rolling a 7.
I have seen the wizard's answers to the house edge on his site and it lines up with the brute force calculations I have seen simulated previously. However I was wondering if there was another way to do it? If anyone could point me in the right direction of where to look to start finding answers I would really appreciate it.
Similarly, if this has already been brought up somewhere else please point me towards it and I will be happy to read that!
Thanks in advance for any hints or pointers anyone can offer!
But to clarify, you have 2^10 states as a result of having either made or not made each number correct? I'm not enough of an excel wiz to understand everything that's going on but most of it makes intuitive sense. I am curious as to how using the mod(floor ... gives you the 1024 different possible orders like it does? Is there any chance you could dumb that down for me a tiny bit? haha
Also, the reason I stopped trying to make a sheet like that, is I thought maybe I could find a formula to solve the whole thing?
For example, P(9)= 4/36 P(7or9)1=10/36 -> P(7 7or9) = 1/9 / 5/18 = 1/9 * 18/5 = 2/5 which is obv why the odds bet pays 3/2.
Anyway, if i can do that, can I not do a formula for odds of a 5 and a 9 before a seven? I don't honestly even know if its possible just seems like to me that it should be! If you can give me any advice as well regarding that I would be very grateful!
Cheers for your time, man.
Up to 21% edge these lower payout days, correct?
That's easy peasy for you DI people to beat, right??
Craps Table With Make Em All
Just another brick in the wall.How about the new payouts, 30-1 and 150-1? Reply to Miplet
Yes the new payouts suck. 18.3% and 20.6% if those are 'to 1' pays.
Craps Make Em All Odds
Thanks Miplet! That really helpful! I started doing something similar and then thought I might be trying too hard so stopped haha.
But to clarify, you have 2^10 states as a result of having either made or not made each number correct? I'm not enough of an excel wiz to understand everything that's going on but most of it makes intuitive sense. I am curious as to how using the mod(floor ... gives you the 1024 different possible orders like it does? Is there any chance you could dumb that down for me a tiny bit? haha
Also, the reason I stopped trying to make a sheet like that, is I thought maybe I could find a formula to solve the whole thing?
For example, P(9)= 4/36 P(7or9)1=10/36 -> P(7 7or9) = 1/9 / 5/18 = 1/9 * 18/5 = 2/5 which is obv why the odds bet pays 3/2.
Anyway, if i can do that, can I not do a formula for odds of a 5 and a 9 before a seven? I don't honestly even know if its possible just seems like to me that it should be! If you can give me any advice as well regarding that I would be very grateful!
Cheers for your time, man.
The =mod(floor(X,Y,1),2) formula was what I came up with to get the individual bits from a number. X is the number and Y is the bit (always a power of 2). Let's do 5 for example
1s bit. mod(floor(5,1,1),2) 5/1=5 and the remainder of 5/2 is 1
2s bit. mod(floor(5,2,1),2) 5/2=2 when rounded down and the remainder of 2/2 is 0
Craps Make Em All Odds
4s bit. mod(floor(5,4,1),2) 5/4=1 when rounded down and the remainder of 1/2 is 1Craps Make Em All Bet
8s bit. mod(floor(5,8,1),2) 5/8=0 when rounded down and the remainder of 0/2 is 0Craps Make Em All Payout
16s bit and higher are all like 8s bit and end up as 0